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Jung, Nietzsche

HMmmmm.

10 minute break in class on N. and professor Christine Downing just summarized one of the points of commonality between Freud and N.

Religion and metaphysics are illusions created by the deep human longing to fulfill 3 unfillable needs:

1) that the world be ordered.
2) being good and being happy are linked.
3) death is not the final word.


In FFX, Yevon gives #1, but it's definitely an illusion. The Calm is the result of Summoners' noble sacrifice, which is actually in vain. And death ISN'T the final word, but it turns out that Spira is much worse off because death dominates so much.

 

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cktraveler
Oct. 25th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
I would call all three of those true statements. None of the three, however, are true in a simple way.

It is the search for simple answers that is truly the greatest danger. Yevon shuts down dialogue, shuts down ideas, shuts down change -- Seymour supports the Crusader/Al Bhed project only as a demonstration that only Yevon offers an answer to Sin. Yevon seeks simplicity.

FFX is not only Tidus's story. It is the story of all the characters featured in it.

Wakka's story is about how simplicity must become complexity if it is to grow at all.
trekqueen
Oct. 25th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
love Nietzsche... he's such a bad ass. ^_^

The thing is, Freud was heavily influenced by what Nietzsche did. If we did not have Nietzsche, we more than likely would not have had Freud.
auronlu
Oct. 25th, 2006 10:28 pm (UTC)
Right. I was scribbling really fast up there. My prof was saying that these "basic human needs/yearnings" were three points that Freud makes based on Nietzsche (although Freud later disavowed how much Nietzsche influenced him, which is bogus).

As Chris was going over these points, I thought to myself, "Gack, FFX is about all these things."

Later on in the lecture, Chris covered Nietzsche's theory of a "ladder of cruelty" in humankind's relation to God that also has echoes in the world of FFX:

1. Originally, humans sacrificed living beings -- their children, scapegoats, people -- to God.
2. Then, they changed, and sacrificed strongest drives to God, becoming aesthetic. This is piety, a set of self-denying morals.
3. Finally, humans sacrifice God Himself to nothingness.

At which point, Nietzsche got scared. He wasn't a nihilist. He didn't want God to be dead, he just felt that the old concepts of religion and faith had calcified and were no longer working (whether or not you believe that is another issue, but that's what he thought). He believed that we had to build something entirely NEW after stage 3, a new way of living, where each person developed his or her set of ethics and created whatever he or she could uniquely bring into the world. But he said that at stage 3, the temptation of many people is to assume that morality has been nullified and that they can do whatever the heck they want, so they tend to descend into chaos and hedonism.

That again reminds me of FFX and X-2 -- look what happened to Spira after Yuna killed Sin and Yevon.


Next month we're covering how Nietzsche was appropriated and distorted by Hitler. This is a class on the perils and dangers of myth, using Goethe's and Thomas Mann's Faust and Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra and Birth of Tragedy.

My head is very full of thoughts!
trekqueen
Oct. 25th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
I can see the FFX connections with his works. ^_^Definitely intriguing.

Next month we're covering how Nietzsche was appropriated and distorted by Hitler. This is a class on the perils and dangers of myth, using Goethe's and Thomas Mann's Faust and Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra and Birth of Tragedy.

That was so terrible what his sister, Elizabeth, did. If in his right mind or alive he would have so gone off on her for doing such a thing to him.

An interesting read is his My Sister and I and despite what many say, there was been great research into proving that it was indeed written by Nietzsche. My German professor was in on all that fun research so now he's an expert and even wrote an excerpt thing to the last print of the book that is hard to find. ^_^ So if you want to read it I own it.
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